Two Wide: Perspectives On Carl Vs. Kez

by Jim on March 8, 2010 · 13 comments

UPDATE (12:52 Eastern): According to an update on Jayski.com, Carl Edwards will be placed on three race probation (read that: Behave yourself) and a meeting between Edwards, Keselowski, and owners Roger Penske (Kez) and Jack Roush (Edwards) will be forthcoming …

It’s a double dose of reaction today at Bump Drafts as Jeremy T. Sellers and yours truly offer up a pair of perspectives on the little on track lovefest between Carl Edwards and Brad Keselowski..

In The Red Corner, here’s Jeremy

Up In The Sky….

…It’s a bird, it’s a plane, NO!  It’s Brad Keselowski! 

And I must premise by stating I’m not condoning what Cousin Carl did, in no way as a matter of fact.  However, I will go on record as stating seeing a good crash at a big league event is a guilty pleasure we all have as long as no one gets hurt, and it’s not our favorite driver.  Gotta have stipulations, ya know?  Now, any of you can be appalled by my introduction to this piece, gasp, get wide-eyed, loudly sigh "Noooooo!",  all you want, but it’s something instilled in us as teeth-grinding fans.  Yet now it’s time NASCAR finds its balance in letting the drivers have control of their races, emotions, and actions. 

I don’t think any of us will disagree at the fact NASCAR had nearly surgically sterilized itself out of business.  (Believe me, I know a few things about surgical sterilization, it’s a hot, humid, arduous process). So when Brian France went public in stating he was going to hand driving back to, now imagine this, THE DRIVERS, I don’t believe he had these incidents such as what occurred Sunday, in mind.  Now, he finds himself in a position to decipher what constitutes a "good ol’ behind the wood shed ass kickin" as opposed to injury or death of drivers and fans.  Hey, I was one of the ones yelling, "WHOOOAAAAA!" when Carl took out Brad, but in the same breath, I was just as equally excited, especially when all proved to be okay.

What is the middle ground? Since this just happened Sunday, this concept is obviously still in its infancy, but there has to be some.  Now, I don’t agree with the likes of Joe Menzer of NASCAR.com and Mike Humbee of SPEED who think it’s this occurrence should mean the end of the world for Carl.  Menzer even suggested Edwards should have waited until Bristol for payback.  Now, realistically, can you imagine just HOW many cars THAT would involve?  So, we buzz about NASCAR needing rivalries, and how, in a sadistic way, it’s healthy for the sport.  Guess that means I’m a sadist.  Yet now that we have a couple, there is an outcry for some serious wank spanking to take place.  C’mon people, make up my mind, will ya?  It may sound as if I’m doing a fair share of fence walking here, and I would have to agree.  However, it has to be one way or the other in terms of letting drivers "do their thing" or not, during races.  At least this time, no one got hurt, but hey fans, we have a rivalry!

So what is the answer?  That in the glory of being a dumb ol’ fan from the suburbs, I don’t have to come up with one.  Yet NONE of us can deny that the quality of racing isn’t better than years past, even at tracks such as California and Vegas and the season is only FOUR races along!  My advice to NASCAR?  Don’t change what you’ve done thus far, but maybe don’t blink your eyes as much during the race!

Thanks, Jeremy. There you have the conflict; a lot of fans want that passion, that raw-boned “I’m not gonna take your crap” emotion, but not as long as it’s a driver I like, or it involves a driver I don’t like.

And In The Green Corner, Jim comes out swinging……

I’ll tell you who’s in a corner- it’s NASCAR. Traditional fans of the rough and tumble racin’ Brian France promised a return to will say say, “See, I told you it was empty talk,” if they hand down one of their stiff penalties of the past.

On the other hand, roughly 65 to 70 percent of every fan poll I’ve ever seen says Edwards’ behavior must be addressed. To be sure, I have no doubt there are a healthy number of haters among them, who’d cry for justice no matter what he did. On the other hand, I find myself surprised at just how strong the reaction is. Not helping is Edwards’ track record for hot-headedness. For the record, on the matter of ‘roid rage? That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve heard. There’s no reason on Earth for Carl to mess with the stuff.

If NASCAR were regulated more like the NFL, they could suspend on some kind of personal conduct violation, but NASCAR has no real precedent, other than the dreaded “conduct detrimental…” clause. I suppose you could put him on probation, but what kind of message does that send after the “Have At It” speech. It sends another confusing set of signals.

In what I am sure is the mother of all butt-chewings, I’d like to think they made Cousin Carl aware of the position he has put them in, and while the idea of retribution is not entirely frowned on, the idea of possibly putting lives at risk is incredibly thoughtless on Edwards’ part.

Speaking strictly as a fan, I am not surprised at what happened to Kez. His list of enemies is pretty long, racing aggressively in two series. Looks to me like his ego has written checks his talent can’t cash. I don’t think he intentionally wrecks people, but ironically, like Edwards (think Talladega, Fall, 2008), he takes chances he shouldn’t in the name of hard-charging. Not everybody can be, nor should they try to be Dale Earnhardt.

In my opinion, NASCAR is going to have to take a bold, new measure: they’re going to have to treat the drivers like men, civilized men. Edwards was parked, and I have little doubt he had a scolding reminiscent of a trip to the principal’s office. It’s little consolation for Keselowski, but other than a very strong, terse warning, I wouldn’t do much more.

Now, going into Bristol, I’d have a little “town hall,” a driver’s meeting to try to clear the air a bit. If I’m NASCAR, I am mainly serving as facilitator, not dictator. I’m not talking about lawyering this thing to death, with a bunch of silly stipulations like you see with “zero tolerance” policies in schools. I’m talking about some straight talk about what acceptable and unacceptable retribution looks like. Ramming somebody in the deck lid on a cool down lap, a la Kyle Busch, or a punch in the snoot a la Jimmy Spencer, that’ll fly. Punting a driver on a short track a la Matt Kenseth on David Gilliland, we won’t encourage or discourage it. Now- sending a driver into orbit at 180 miles per hour? Now you’re crossing a line, one that involves NASCAR looking at- on a case by case basis- the possibility of fines, suspensions, points penalties or even expulsion where necessary.

If you lay your personal biases for or against any driver aside for a moment, you then realize it is a complicated matter. Take the stupid wing off the car, and more than likely Keselowski is only taking a harder ride than the one he got courtesy of Denny Hamlin at Homestead in the Nationwide Series.

Though common sense isn’t all that common, it’s time for personal responsibility to make a come back. NASCAR said they were going to leave it up to the drivers, now it’s time to see if these boys can police themselves. If they can’t- they lose, we all lose in the long run. 

Related posts:

  1. Open Season On The Track? I Think Not
  2. Edwards and Keselowski: My Take
  3. Where’s The Line On Have At It?


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{ 13 comments }

1 Jerm March 9, 2010 at 6:46 am

Why am I in the red corner? lmao

2 Ben March 9, 2010 at 6:48 am

Carl seems to have forgotten when he refused to give an inch to another driver in 2004. It was chalked up as a racing deal, just the same way Carl getting wrecked by Brad was a racing deal. I guess Carl AKA “Eddie Haskell” doesn’t see it that way —

http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/cup/10/31/dearnhardtjr_ams/index.html

3 jimmccoy22 March 9, 2010 at 6:58 am

@Jerm. It’s the “fire engine red” to be technical.

4 Jerm March 9, 2010 at 7:15 am

Now darn it, I should have figured that one out! lol

5 josie March 9, 2010 at 7:32 am

Well…since Brad and Carl have caused this commotion..and aggravation.. and upheaval with their childish antics..and given NASCAR, the fans, and MOST importantly the other drivers a headache who are probably now unsure as to what is and what isn’t acceptable..(although I would hope most of them see what Carl did was NOT the smartest move made on the racetrack Sunday) my resolution would be at Bristol..let the 12 and 99 run..and LET the other 41 drivers take all their pent up BS out on the 12 and 99…let it rip! Hey if they do that 41 cars will only have a little front end damage..great for Bristol, you will have 41 relaxed and happy drivers, and the 99 and 12 will get the message..we are NOT going to tolerate this unnecessary carnage any longer..shape up..grow up..or pay the price!

6 jimmccoy22 March 9, 2010 at 7:52 am

@Josie. This CAN be a real moment for the drivers. You ever remember in school when the teacher promised a reward if the class behaved, and then some yahoo wouls start srewing up, and the rest of the class would come down on the offender? The same could happen here. Now, what the drivers “handling it” looks like, I don’t know, I think now, among themselves in those drivers meetings, there’s talk about what flies and what doesn’t in terms of defending a position, advancing position, and handling “revenge.”

7 Ky Bill March 9, 2010 at 9:02 am

“K” has bumped and banged his way into this. Edwards obviously spun him out on purpose, but, I don’t think he knew the car was going to “fly”. I think “K” would have gotten the same at our local track. Ky Bill

8 gopapa March 9, 2010 at 10:08 am

Bottom line is, they were both outta line. Carl just got caught red-handed. Or was that white-handed? NASCAR has several problems here. One of them is, this sells tickets and gets people back in front of the TV.

But getting back to the feud, Brad seems to have a short memory. When he punted Carl, they were going just as fast as when Carl spun him. The big difference is, they were in traffic. More than one car could have went sailing at that point. And yeah, he lifted for him, just enough for a punt. He was definitely more tactful than Carl.

NASCAR should not penalize Carl without penalizing Brad. It takes two to tango and they both showed up and danced on the big stage.

And beyond that, isn’t this what NASCAR wanted and needed? Are they going to flip-flop on what they just told the drivers a few weeks ago? I doubt it.

9 Neo Gandoff March 9, 2010 at 10:10 am

In these polls it should require the people to list what car make they are fans of. I would suspect 80 to 90 percent that said NASCAR should come down had on Carl are Dodge and Chevy fan. That was always the way it was with Dernheart fans. If he wrecked someone it was alright but if he got paid back by another driver penalize that driver. And also NASCAR was afraid to do anything to Dernheart.

Neo

10 Author March 9, 2010 at 10:16 am

@Neo. I’d go a step further. I find it not coincidental that the overwhelming number of folks I know personally who are taking up for Kez are JR Nation. Coincidence? I think not. Loyalties run deep.

11 gopapa March 9, 2010 at 11:21 am

Hey guys, I’m totally neutral on this. I’m a long-time Martin fan, but also just a long-time NASCAR fan in general. I’m not biased toward any manufacturer either. As for these two guys, I’ve got nothin’ good or bad for either one, so why not throw my two cents worth out there.
I could see CC taking BK out “as a favor to the rest of the guys” on top of the payback factor. He just seems to be that kind of guy to me. You know he had plenty of time to cool off and be talked out of the payback thing in that 150-something laps while his car was being repaired. He had more than ample time to contemplate his actions. I don’t know a thing about Bob Osborne though. Wild card there as far as I’m concerned.

So, Jeremy and Jim – Both you guys have valid points in this column – NASCAR is in a bit of a pickle now.

12 James March 9, 2010 at 12:36 pm

The word has come down from NASCAR president Mike, “Cop Out” Helton. “In the interest of reversing declining REVENUE and FAN ATTENDANCE Carl Edwards will be placed on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION for three races”. “O yeah, we are really, really, REALLY looking at this wingy-thingy to see how it causes cars that were deliberately wrecked to fly into the air”.

You ever wonder why none of the 1969-70 Winged Wonders (Charger Daytona or Plymouth Superbirds) ever took flight even though they had a bigger wing on the back?? The wing was mounted HIGH atop two BIG stabilizers which allowed airflow over the back of the car instead of bunching up and creating lift in conjunction with the roof flaps (they didn’t have roof flaps) when the car was traveling backwards. When a COT car gets turned around, air bunches up at the back of the car lifting the rear end, pushing the center of gravity towards the front end of the car, the open roof flaps at high speeds act like a fulcrum that continues to move the center of gravity towards the front of the car while lifting the rear end further off the ground until the car is airborne. At that point the entire car is in effect a poorly designed airfoil that is going to fly until the lift generated by speed and aerodynamics is gone. The “new” spoilers will cause the COT to lift when turned around at speed much the same way as the current wing design does now because they do not and can not address the root of the problem, center of gravity and stability, but they will look much cooler than the current wing-thingy.

I say keep the wing, redesigned to be at roof level mounted on top of two large stabilizers that will help keep the cars from turning sideways and flying cars will be a thing of the past. Also I would cut about 6 inches of splitter off of each side to reduce cut tire sidewalls.

13 Steve In Atlanta March 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm

The decision will bite NA$CAR later on in the season when someone “dumps” the point leader. I think there are many Carls in NA$CAR that say one thing and mean another. Jimmy can kiss his 5th championship good bye and NA$CAR ratings should improve due to this decision. When someone gets hurt, a driver, a fan or a crew member than this hands off policy will change. Until then enjoy the show!!!!

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