Soap Box: Can The Nationwide Series Be Saved?

by Jim on July 7, 2009 · 12 comments

Editor’s Note: You may recall yesterday as I introduced John “Dawg” Chapman, I said he called ‘em like he’d seen ‘em. Today, Chapman share a very thought provoking idea concerning the Nationwide Series.

If you’re like me, I’ve not been too enamored with NASCAR’s “junior varsity.” If it was meant as a developmental series- or even a “champions” (read that “old timers”) series- it fails as both in my opinion. As Patrick Reynolds has written here before, it’s a series without an identity.

Dawg’s idea may be completely crazy, but it may be “crazy like a fox.” Read it and see what you think. It’s simply an idea, and frankly it’s a lot more interesting than most I’ve read.

Can the Nationwide Series be saved?????

More to the point, Should it be saved? My short answer is a resounding NO!

Now that I have your attention, let me tell you why I’ve come to this conclusion. If this series were a true feeder series where promising new drivers came to perfect their chops, get noticed and hopefully move on up to the Cup series, then I’d be one of it’s strongest supporters.

As it stands, it’s become the Saturday playground of slumming Cup drivers, driving cars mostly owned by Cup owners and pitted by Cup crews. Talk about a stacked deck.

At the start of this season, the chart shows 40 full time Nationwide teams. Of these, 10 are owned by Cup owners. I didn’t include cars owned by Kevin Harvick or Joe Nemechek. I did include cars of JR Motorsports because these are at least partially owned be Hendrick now. Of the 17 races run- as of this writing- 16 have been won by drivers with full time Cup rides. The exception was Mike Bliss, who won for James Finch. This race was called early under a rain delay. Anyone see a pattern showing up here?

I’ve heard the brave words from the non-Cup regulars should anyone take the trouble to interview them. “We learn so much racing against the Cup drivers.” Maybe some truth there. “To be the best, you have to beat the best.” Like a lot of cliché’s this doesn’t mean much. Why? Because as I said, they’re not beating them. Maybe beating them for 14th place when one of them has trouble, but who’s going to notice that?

A “Nationwide only” driver beating the Cup guys is so rare that David Gilliland built his Cup career on his 1 and only Nationwide Series win. No small accomplishment by the way.

Between the well-sponsored and factory supported (that part of the playing field has been leveled) teams at the top skimming off the lions share of the purses- plus the bottom feeding, start and park teams at the other end, this doesn’t leave a whole lot of the meager to begin with any money to fight over.

You don’t see Tiger Woods dropping down to play on the Nationwide Tour. You don’t see a Major League baseball player fattening his batting average by playing in the minor leagues. Why then do we see it in NA$CAR? You have to look no further than the third letter. In the cozy (read incestuous) world of NA$CAR, with them owning the majority of the tracks, the established Cup stars sell tickets… end of story.

With all the problems facing today’s owners and even NA$CAR itself, I think there is a better way. NA$CAR has been proposing changes to the Nationwide cars ever since the CoT took over in Cup. I have serious doubts that the Nationwide only owners are in a strong enough position to absorb this change.

My solution would be to do away with this series altogether.

When I first started going to my local track, they only had one class of cars,  one set of rules. The top cars were “A” feature cars. Our “A” feature started 17 cars. The “B” feature (let’s say) also started 17. This was determined by points. Probably the top 15 or so were always going to be “A” feature cars. The last  couple of spots would be filled by cars bouncing back and forth between the “A” and “B” features. The “C” feature cars pretty much stayed as “C” cars.

This is exactly what I would love to see NA$CAR go to.

All cars would be Cup cars. The top 20 (not an arbitrary number)  would be locked in. The remaining cars would race in a transfer race on Saturday. The top 23 finishers would transfer to race on Sunday.

Saturday’s race would start everyone who showed up. Last year- we had something like 9 qualifying rainouts. That meant that teams most in need of a payday had to load up and home, after the expense of showing up without ever having an opportunity to make the field and without their sponsors ever getting any TV exposure. My guess is that Saturday’s field would be about the same number as a full Cup field.

Think about the implications of this race. Run too boldly, & crash out, you won’t transfer. Play it too safe, Sorry Charley. I think this race would have the potential to be better than the Sunday races. You could control things by only counting points won in the Sunday race. Remember, if you’re not inside the cut off number, then the 21st car, and the 50th car have the same chance to transfer.

The advantages would be that Every car that shows up gets to race. This should make it easier for cars that weren’t top cars to secure sponsorship. In fact, cars that are more likely to transfer, could have an edge as they figure to run both races the majority of the time. Drivers would have a better opportunity to showcase their talents in the transfer races, as the elate Cup stars would be setting out.

Cars could still “start and park” on Sunday but they would have to race their way in rather than running one qualifying lap. I happen to think that the reason that the start and park cars can  beat some cars that show up to actually race is that the “S&P’s” never have to even think about race set up.

We didn’t have to buy separate tickets for the A,B and C features- neither would the fans now. A race ticket would be good for both races. The price would be about what separate tickets now would be. If the transfer races were as good as I think, people shouldn’t kick. The purse split would be about what it is now.

Could this ever happen? Not a chance. Would I love to see it? You bet your bippy.

Related posts:

  1. Striking A Balance In The Nationwide Series
  2. Want Good Racing? Why Not The Nationwide Series?
  3. Soap Box: A Way Out Of The NA$CAR Corner


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1 Count Culo July 8, 2009 at 2:13 am

This is a fantastic idea… only problems I see is that it makes waaay too much sense and would require some tracks to lose a race that now have NNWS series only… it would also lose NASCAR a series sponsor so will immediately be filed by them in File 13…
but other than that it is outstanding in it’s simplicity… I never like to complain about something till I know of a solution… here’s the solution… I will now go forth and preach the gospel of the UniSeries…

CC

2 Bobby dee July 8, 2009 at 6:14 am

Sounds good. I don’t think ESPN/ABC would cover it though. SPEED does the Trucks, so they would be spread too thin.

3 Travis July 8, 2009 at 8:08 am

I REALLY like this idea. The only problem is that it puts a big financial strain on teams outside the A main, because they have to run two races a weekend, if they make it.

4 dawg July 8, 2009 at 8:16 am

CC,

I had thought about that, While some collateral damage is unavoidable. This would be my suggestion to minimize it.
I would offer a Truck race as a replacement, & encourage them to book an ARCA, or ASA race as a companion event. I don’t think that the stand alone Nationwide, or Truck races sell that well anyway. Both ARCA, & ASA, offer very good racing but they could use some help as well.

As for the Television part of it……….Well NA$CAR has sold their TV rights to the highest bidder, & apparently gave up total control. That’s a little like giving your daughter to a pimp. Even if he says he loves her.
That’s why we have networks cutting away & shifting the finish to another network. One that some viewers, who invested 4 hours of their lives in, are unable to get.
Digger,……well you get the idea.
NA$CAR is never going to get anything like the $$ they got last time. The reason we have this Hodge Poge is that no single network could afford the nut. The product would be better covered entirely by one network….as long as it’s not Faux.
They sell this as a package, Take it or Leave it.

5 Gary S July 8, 2009 at 2:11 pm

I think keep Nationwide but change Nascar Cup Series to an AFL vs. NFL matchup. Make Nationwide the EQUAL of sprint and they will each have their own seasons. With 10 races to go, let the top 15 from each series start racing together on the same tracks/same day as a real ’super bowl’ of racing.

6 Keith July 8, 2009 at 3:07 pm

This article makes no sense. On various weekends the Nationwide race brings in from 40,000 to 100,000 thousand fans at $25 to $120 a race. Which is more than the IRL does at all races but INDY so should this series be scrapped also. The Nationwide series has the second highest total attendance of all that is all racing series and some events are better attended than the biggest F-1 races. The Nationwide series is by no means perfect and could use some rule changes to help it and possibly improve attendance but the ideas I read here would kill nationwide and most likely kill the Sprint cup series. In my opinion Brian france would not even come up with such dumb ideas.

7 Jim July 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm

@Keith. I won’t speak as editor of this blog, but as a fellow reader. If you read all the way to the end, you then know that Dawg has no illusions that Mssrs. France, Helton, Hunter and Pemberton are going to make his phone ring anytime soon. There’s an idea being thrown out here and certainly since it is nothing more than a “brain storm” session.
No you make interesting counterpoints, but let me ask you this: are you completely equating ticket sales with financial success? I’ll agree it accounts for something, but let’s not forget the expense involved in making NASCAR viable.
I’ll throw my two cents in here and suggest that anybody who thinks NSCS racing is boring hasn’t watched the “18″ and the “20″ set sail on the field on a weekly basis. Frankly, it’s all about “the race” and the races aren’t anything to write home about and in my opinion (it’s just an opinion) the series completely lacks identity. It’s like going to a AAA baseball game and half the team is major league all-stars. Not necessarily a bad idea when you’re in non-Cup markets like Milwaukee, Kentucky, or St. Loo. But Daytona? Talladega? What’s the point?
Anyway- I think to just dismiss the ideas as dumb…..you’re entitled to your opinion, but just to call it dumb….I disagree.

8 Matt July 8, 2009 at 4:22 pm

What a ridiculous idea! The nationwide series is not a pure feeder series true, but where would guys like Brad Keselowski go to bone up? As long as the cup guys run the full schedule there is no reason they shouldnt be allowed to compete for a championship. You dont see Tiger Woods compete on the Nationwide tour because he doesnt want to! He plays enough golf to get his fill. The guys who race in both series just want to race, and there isnt another sprint cup series that runs more races is there? No, so they run in the nationwide as well.

9 dawg July 8, 2009 at 4:42 pm

Oh Come on now Keith.

You’ve either overestamated me, or underestamated Brian France.

10 tom1194 July 8, 2009 at 5:20 pm

Doing away with the series seems drastic.
I’ve heard the argument before about the Nationwide guys saying they like to race against the cup guys. I agree that a few major cup teams control the nationwide series in wins but also in supplying motors and other parts. If you were a independant nationwide driver, would you state on national news “hell no, we don’t want no cup drivers here stinking up our show, practicing for the cup race and taking the top money” If you did, your supply of parts and tv time would diminish greatly over the next few weeks until they found a way to run you off completely.

I would like to see them bring in crate motors from the manufacturers to the nationwide series and a cup driver/pitcrew can only drive/practice in 5 busch or truck races a year or just kill it off as you suggest.
The cup series is pretty well junked up with nationwide level drivers anyway so why have two nearly identical series. It don’t make cents.

As far as start and park in the cup series, just do away with the top 35 rule and the impound garbage. the top Cup teams would blow the doors off the S&P cars if the top teams had to go to full qualifying trim and if the they did get beat they could just lease the S&P car, wreck it in practice and go to their “backup” car.

11 Kevin July 9, 2009 at 9:50 am

I kind of like the general idea but agree that it would never happen in reality. Something that I would be more in favor of and that might be a little more plausible is basically merging the trucks and Nationwide series together. The merged series would be the truck series, though, because trucks have always produced the best racing. With these two series merged into one, the list of well-funded, competitive teams would effectively double. Yes, Nationwide teams would have to build or buy trucks, but that would still probably be cheaper than developing an entirely new COT which they’ll have to do next year. NASCAR had two series for a number of years before the truck series was started, and given current economic conditions, I think it can only support two healthy series.

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